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AMD Radeon RX 5700 XT GPU connected to an iMac Pro running macOS Catalina versus other GPUs

October 29th, 2019 by rob-ART morgan, mad scientist
Updated November 12th with Blender results

There is much interest in the AMD RX 5700 XT GPU now that it is supported in macOS 10.15 'Catalina.' We connected it to our iMac Pro using an eGPU to see how it compared to a few other AMD GPUs.


GRAPH LEGEND

VII = Radeon VII (16GB HBM2 memory) in eGPU Box
5700 XT = Radeon RX 5700 XT (8GB DDR6 memory) in eGPU Box
Pro Vega 64 = iMac Pro's built-in Radeon Pro Vega 64 (16GB HBM2 memory)

RX 580 = Radeon RX 580 (8GB GDDR5 memory) in eGPU Box

TEST DETAILS: The 2017 iMac Pro 3.2GHz 8-core Xeon, 32GB of ECC memory, 1TB flash storage, running macOS Catalina. We used various eGPU boxes from Other World Computing and Sonnet Technologies.

Blender - OpenCL Render of BMW Demo Scene
(LOWER Time in Seconds = FASTER)

DaVinci Resolve Single Node of Noise Reduction
Using the 1080p Candle Project, we applied the '1NR' preset and started playback. (HIGHER Frames per Second = FASTER)

DaVinci Resolve Triple Nodes of Noise Reduction
(HIGHER Frames per Second = FASTER)

Final Cut Pro X 10.4.7
Exported the BruceX sample 5K project to ProRes 4444 XQ. (LOWER Time in Seconds = FASTER)

Motion 5.4.4
Performed a Render RAM Preview on the 600 frame Atmospheric-Open sample project. (LOWER Time in Seconds = FASTER)

TW: Three Kingdoms
Used the built-in Battle benchmark. The three GPUs connected via Thunderbolt 3 appear to have a disadvantage running this game. (HIGHER Frames per Second = FASTER)

TW: Warhammer II
Used the built-in Skaven benchmark. Notice which GPU dominates the 4K gaming mode. (HIGHER Frames per Second = FASTER)

WHAT DID WE LEARN?

The AMD Radeon RX 5700 XT surprised us. First it beats both the VII and Pro Vega 64 running Blender.

Then it keeps up with the Radeon VII running DaVinci Resolve's real-time rendering of Noise Reduction during looping playback.

On the other hand, the iMac Pro's internal Radeon Pro Vega 64 handled the Final Cut Pro X and Motion tasks faster than any of the external GPUs.

The Three Kingdoms game was frustrating since, as with the Apple pro apps, the external GPU appeared to be at a disadvantage. Could it be a bandwidth issue since the eGPU boxes must 'chatter' over the Thunderbolt 3 bus?

However, as we increased the resolution with Warhammer II, the Radeon VII flexed its muscle when it reached 3840x2160 (aka 4K). And the Radeon RX 5700 XT beat the internal Pro Vega 64.

(NOTE: The external GPUs reported best game frame-rates when connected directly to our Dell UP2715K display.)

I doubt anyone would connect an RX 580 externally to an iMac Pro but they might do so with a lesser Mac. At least it gives you a reference point to see where the RX 5700 XT fits in the GPU hierarchy -- much faster than an RX 580 and often 'nipping at the heels' of the top end Radeon VII.

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Learning to live with Mac OS X Fellow Mac OS X adopters who have bought - or are thinking of buying - ATI's retail Radeon graphics card can rest assured: Radeon Mac Edition is supported by Mac OS X - despite all my curmudgeonly complaints that it wasn't.

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I haven't received protestations from ATI - or Apple, for that matter - pointing out my error. No, I found this one out for myself, quite by chance, experimenting with the way Mac OS X handles fonts.

Last time round, I mentioned how my OS X installation always died whenever I ran some pretty essential applications, and how the problem was solved by swapping out my shiny new Radeon for the old Rage 128 board that shipped with my otherwise perfect blue'n'white Power Mac G3.

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I'd already reinstalled OS X half a dozen times - and upgraded to 10.0.2 and, later, 10.0.3 in the most cases - each time without improving system stability, so it never occurred to me that this, not the graphics card, might be the solution.

<Spock mode on> Logic dictates, Captain, that when one process (reinstalling the OS) fails to solve a problem and a second process appears to do so, it's the second one that provides the fix. <Spock mode off>

If only...

The thing is, installing OS X isn't the straightforward process you might think it is. You've got rather a lot of decisions to make even before you even slide the CD into the drive. For example, do you reformat the hard drive first? Then, do you format it into a single volume or two, one for Mac OS 9, the other for OS X? If you've already formatted the drive into two parts, do you reinstall OS 9 as well as OS X when the latter alone fails?

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Here's what I did. Way back when the Mac OS X Public Beta shipped, I backed up my hard drive, formatted it into two volumes, installed OS 9 on one and the PB on the other. No problemo - both operating systems worked a treat.

Come Mac OS X 10.0.0, and I - following Apple's warnings - erased the PB volume and installed the new version instead. Suddenly, half the bundled apps stopped working properly and worse, dragged the system down with them. To save having to back up the OS 9 volume again, reinstalling the operating system and putting back all my apps and documents, I just reinstalled OS X on the appropriate partition.

When I decided to swap out the Radeon card, I'd also decided to start from scratch by reformatting the drive - this time into a single partition; I'd heard it might work better that way - and reinstalling both OS 9 and OS X. I did, and... well, you know the rest.

Move forward in time a couple of weeks to this past Friday. I'm thinking that I'd like to take a look at all the fonts that come bundled with OS X. I run TextEdit and have a look at some. Then I remember that I never got round to reinstalling my third-party OS 9 fonts. I naturally wondered whether I should put them in the Fonts folder in OS 9's System Folder, in the equivalent folder in OS X's main Library folder or even in /Users/smitty/Library/fonts. See what I mean, all the decisions OS X foists on you?

I chose the latter (for no clear reason) and dragged a whole bunch of fonts off the Zip disk I'd backed them up. I ran TextEdit, chose Font Panel from the appropriate menu and... boom, the whole system bombed, just like before.

It looked to me that maybe the problem had been a font issue all along. Come to think of it, many - though not all, which is why it wasn't so obvious before - of the apps that crashed did work with fonts. So this time, I removed all the fonts I'd added and - wanting to be scientific about it - started putting them back a few at a time. Eventually, I narrowed it down to a single Star Trek symbol font, one of a pack I'd reviewed years ago and just left on my system. It works just fine under OS 9, but OS X doesn't like it one little bit.

This discovery let the Radeon off the hook, and putting it back in proved its innocence. It works a treat, and doesn't crash anything.

There are two morals to this tale. The first is that whenever you try a solution to a problem, cut out as many variables as you can to make it as easy as possible to identify the solution.

The second is that it's essential to bear in mind that OS X is more closely tied to OS 9 than you might think from running Classic. The operating system reads in the contents of 9's own fonts folder, and other apps may also access other contents of the System Folder, to maintain consistency of your preferences, for example. This is definitely worth bearing in mind if you too are suffering regular application crashes. ®

To Be Continued...

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